Third Party Therapy

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Podcast by Mike Day

Third Party Therapy

A bi-weekly podcast about the world of third party risk. Many of us are in the same position, facing ever evolving challenges, trying to keep up with new regulations and laws and it often feels like we are struggling to keep up. I want to really open up the conversation on this topic by speaking with practitioners to discuss key topics, understand what worked well and what went wrong, what people struggle with and to bring in ideas from other industries too. I’ll be asking the questions that folks may feel silly or uncomfortable asking too. So, why not join me for a series of informal interviews and discussions to really open up the conversation for the third party risk community?

Latest episodes

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15 December 2025

Third Party Therapy - Robert Hannigan - Cybercrime-as-a-Service, Data Poisoning and the future of Cyber Crime.

Great conversation with Robert Hannigan from Blue Voyant, former Director of GCHQ and author of "Counter Intelligence - What The Secret World Can Teach Us About Problem Solving & Creativity". Talking about the business model of cyber crime, how companies can protect themselves and the role of the human in combatting the cyber criminal.

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01 December 2025

Third Party Therapy - Charlie Lewis - Beyond the Third: Navigating 4th Parties and Cyber Risk in TPRM

A great conversation with Charlie Lewis from McKinsey exploring the cyber risk that develops from a complex supply chain and how companies can take a business focussed approach to risk management

Read Charlie's article on Taking a business-critical approach to supplier nth-party IT risk management

Distributed in conjunction with CEFPRO Connect

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16 November 2025

Third Party Therapy - Natalie Druckmann - AI Unleashed: Transforming Third-Party Risk

Third Party Therapy – Episode 13

AI Unleashed: Transforming Third-Party Risk

Guest: Natalie Druckmann, Head of EMEA at Certa

Host: Mike Day

Episode Summary

How is artificial intelligence reshaping third-party risk management? In this episode, Mike Day speaks with Natalie Druckmann from Certa, exploring how AI can transform due diligence, regulatory compliance, and supplier oversight. Natalie shares her journey from delivery and procurement into technology leadership, before unpacking the real-world use cases that are redefining TPRM—from automating document review to interpreting complex regulations like DORA. Together, they discuss how organisations can move from spreadsheet chaos to continuous monitoring, and from compliance overhead to strategic insight.

Key Topics

  • Natalie's path from practitioner to tech leader
  • The evolution of TPRM tech: from Excel → platforms → modular AI solutions
  • Industry maturity: financial services vs pharma, retail, and defence
  • Using AI to analyse supplier evidence, interpret new regulations, and enable 'risk management by exception'
  • Why 'process → people → platform' is the right order for success
  • Common pitfalls in adopting technology
  • The future of TPRM: faster onboarding, smarter risk insight, and human + AI collaboration

Memorable Quotes

“We fixed the problem of not knowing—and created the problem of knowing too much.”

“AI in TPRM isn’t about replacing people; it’s about freeing them to focus where it matters.”

“Process first, people second, platform third.”

Takeaways

✅ Start with why and who, before deciding what or how.

✅ Design your process first—technology won’t fix a broken one.

✅ Use AI for transparency, not black-box decisions.

✅ Adopt a base-plate approach: start simple, build as you mature.

✅ Aim for risk management by exception, not exhaustion.

Links & Resources

🌐 thirdpartytherapy.com – show archive

🤖 certa.ai – learn more about Certa’s AI-driven risk solutions

💬 Connect with Mike Day on LinkedIn for future episodes

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06 October 2025

Third Party Therapy - Dharminder Mehmi - Bridging the Gap: from regulation to implementation in TPRM.

Join me in a conversation with Dharminder Mehmi from Legal & General as we explore regulation in the UK Finance sector, the experience of moving from the regulator to the regulated and how regulation may develop in the future.

Distributed with support from CEFPRO Connect

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15 September 2025

Third Party Therapy - Harj Mattu - Established players and new entrants into the TPRM Technology market

I get to explore my TPRM nerdy side with Harj Mattu from Deloitte as we explore the world of TPRM technology. Who are the big players, who are the new entrants bringing something difference and our favourite topic of AI in TPRM.

Published in partnership with CEFPRO Connect

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21 July 2025

Third Party Therapy - Oliver Jones - Should TPRM and Procurement work closer together - the evolution and technical solutions.

A conversation with Oliver Jones from H&Z Consulting on the evolution of TPRM from a sub-function of Procurement to a key function on its own with board level focus - how far from Procurement should it go and what are the technology solutions that can help bring them together?

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